Comments on: The Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act–And Why All Gamers Should Fear Toxic Games http://www.livingdice.com/1291/the-consumer-product-safety-improvement-act-and-why-all-gamers-should-fear-it/ Gaming. It's in the blood... Thu, 10 May 2012 17:30:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Shopfloor » Blog Archive » CPSIA Update: Assurances That Don’t Assure http://www.livingdice.com/1291/the-consumer-product-safety-improvement-act-and-why-all-gamers-should-fear-it/comment-page-1/#comment-247 Shopfloor » Blog Archive » CPSIA Update: Assurances That Don’t Assure Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:58:58 +0000 http://www.livingdice.com/?p=1291#comment-247 [...] add gamers to the list of the alarmed. From Living Dice.com, “The Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act–And Why All Gamers Should Fear Toxic Games“: All of this means that every die, board game, box of cards or game book (yes, it applies to [...] [...] add gamers to the list of the alarmed. From Living Dice.com, “The Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act–And Why All Gamers Should Fear Toxic Games“: All of this means that every die, board game, box of cards or game book (yes, it applies to [...]

]]> By: Chad C http://www.livingdice.com/1291/the-consumer-product-safety-improvement-act-and-why-all-gamers-should-fear-it/comment-page-1/#comment-240 Chad C Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:45:37 +0000 http://www.livingdice.com/?p=1291#comment-240 While it may not be of any use to board game type companies, I think this is just going to cause the tabletop RPG stuff, like D&D and Gurps and the rest, to move to a very DRM entrenched electronic format. You'll buy their reader which will be the only program that can read their PDFs or whatever format, then you'll require a key, much like a CD key for video games, which will be sent to you with each purchase to unlock the PDF. However it's done, in most cases you have to figure any potential loss of sales due to the system being cracked and tossed around on torrent sites will be less expensive than all this pointless testing would cost. While it may not be of any use to board game type companies, I think this is just going to cause the tabletop RPG stuff, like D&D and Gurps and the rest, to move to a very DRM entrenched electronic format. You’ll buy their reader which will be the only program that can read their PDFs or whatever format, then you’ll require a key, much like a CD key for video games, which will be sent to you with each purchase to unlock the PDF. However it’s done, in most cases you have to figure any potential loss of sales due to the system being cracked and tossed around on torrent sites will be less expensive than all this pointless testing would cost.

]]> By: CPSIA, board games and hobby gaming http://www.livingdice.com/1291/the-consumer-product-safety-improvement-act-and-why-all-gamers-should-fear-it/comment-page-1/#comment-242 CPSIA, board games and hobby gaming Wed, 04 Feb 2009 05:07:26 +0000 http://www.livingdice.com/?p=1291#comment-242 [...] Trask at Living Dice explains; more here and here. And in response to a comment: The “it does not apply to hobby games because they are for older people” probably will not fly. I cannot imagine the government will let industry decide what game is for over 12 year old players. If they did that even “Chutes and Ladders” will become “for 12 and older” to save on the testing. Well, that may be an exaggeration, but you get the idea. No, I think the books and games that are playable by early teens will probably get scooped up in this definition as well. Sadly, that covers most hobby games. [...] [...] Trask at Living Dice explains; more here and here. And in response to a comment: The “it does not apply to hobby games because they are for older people” probably will not fly. I cannot imagine the government will let industry decide what game is for over 12 year old players. If they did that even “Chutes and Ladders” will become “for 12 and older” to save on the testing. Well, that may be an exaggeration, but you get the idea. No, I think the books and games that are playable by early teens will probably get scooped up in this definition as well. Sadly, that covers most hobby games. [...]

]]> By: CPSIA Enforcement Stayed for One Year | LivingDice.com http://www.livingdice.com/1291/the-consumer-product-safety-improvement-act-and-why-all-gamers-should-fear-it/comment-page-1/#comment-241 CPSIA Enforcement Stayed for One Year | LivingDice.com Tue, 03 Feb 2009 00:42:13 +0000 http://www.livingdice.com/?p=1291#comment-241 [...] Here is my original post on the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act [...] [...] Here is my original post on the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act [...]

]]> By: An Elegant Solution to the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act for Game Publishers | LivingDice.com http://www.livingdice.com/1291/the-consumer-product-safety-improvement-act-and-why-all-gamers-should-fear-it/comment-page-1/#comment-246 An Elegant Solution to the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act for Game Publishers | LivingDice.com Fri, 30 Jan 2009 03:00:47 +0000 http://www.livingdice.com/?p=1291#comment-246 [...] discussed the CPSIA  earlier this week and was very concerned about its impact on the game/toy community. Later that night, lying in bed I [...] [...] discussed the CPSIA  earlier this week and was very concerned about its impact on the game/toy community. Later that night, lying in bed I [...]

]]> By: Trask http://www.livingdice.com/1291/the-consumer-product-safety-improvement-act-and-why-all-gamers-should-fear-it/comment-page-1/#comment-245 Trask Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:13:54 +0000 http://www.livingdice.com/?p=1291#comment-245 The "it does not apply to hobby games because they are for older people" probably will not fly. I cannot imagine the government will let industry decide what game is for over 12 year old players. If they did that even "Chutes and Ladders" will become "for 12 and older" to save on the testing. Well, that may be an exaggeration, but you get the idea. No, I think the books and games that are playable by early teens will probably get scooped up in this definition as well. Sadly, that covers most hobby games. Trask, The Last Tyromancer The “it does not apply to hobby games because they are for older people” probably will not fly. I cannot imagine the government will let industry decide what game is for over 12 year old players. If they did that even “Chutes and Ladders” will become “for 12 and older” to save on the testing. Well, that may be an exaggeration, but you get the idea. No, I think the books and games that are playable by early teens will probably get scooped up in this definition as well. Sadly, that covers most hobby games.

Trask, The Last Tyromancer

]]> By: Tim Hannon http://www.livingdice.com/1291/the-consumer-product-safety-improvement-act-and-why-all-gamers-should-fear-it/comment-page-1/#comment-244 Tim Hannon Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:03:40 +0000 http://www.livingdice.com/?p=1291#comment-244 One important clarification from the CPSC: the law will only require that new children's products be tested before sale. Previously manufactured items are not required to be tested. In either case, it will still be illegal to sell any products that don't meet the new requirements; you aren't required to test it, but you can still be held liable if you sell it. What's the difference? Check out http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml09/09086.html for details. Another thing to consider is that the act specifically address items manufactured for children ages 12 and under. Doesn't this leave out most of the hobby game market, making this largely a non-issue? There's a decent outline on the CPSC site about the requirements here: http://www.cpsc.gov/ABOUT/Cpsia/cpsialead.pdf One important clarification from the CPSC: the law will only require that new children’s products be tested before sale. Previously manufactured items are not required to be tested. In either case, it will still be illegal to sell any products that don’t meet the new requirements; you aren’t required to test it, but you can still be held liable if you sell it. What’s the difference?

Check out http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml09/09086.html for details.

Another thing to consider is that the act specifically address items manufactured for children ages 12 and under. Doesn’t this leave out most of the hobby game market, making this largely a non-issue?

There’s a decent outline on the CPSC site about the requirements here: http://www.cpsc.gov/ABOUT/Cpsia/cpsialead.pdf

]]> By: Wyatt http://www.livingdice.com/1291/the-consumer-product-safety-improvement-act-and-why-all-gamers-should-fear-it/comment-page-1/#comment-243 Wyatt Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:30:44 +0000 http://www.livingdice.com/?p=1291#comment-243 Yes, this law is completely retarded. It's like fixing a leak in the bathroom by shooting a tank round at it. I can only hope we don't have to suffer through it much until it's revoked. Yes, this law is completely retarded. It’s like fixing a leak in the bathroom by shooting a tank round at it. I can only hope we don’t have to suffer through it much until it’s revoked.

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