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		<title>By: Action Figure Insider &#8211; Best Toy News on the Web! GenCon for Sale?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Action Figure Insider &#8211; Best Toy News on the Web! GenCon for Sale?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: SrBlack</title>
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		<dc:creator>SrBlack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 05:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do I know about all those events?
I deliver pizzas down town. GenCon weekend is one of the best weekends of the year to deliver pizzas. Those guys come here to play, and they love their food - and they know how to tip!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do I know about all those events?<br />
I deliver pizzas down town. GenCon weekend is one of the best weekends of the year to deliver pizzas. Those guys come here to play, and they love their food &#8211; and they know how to tip!</p>
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		<title>By: SrBlack</title>
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		<dc:creator>SrBlack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 05:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh. I can&#039;t stop commenting. Sorry....

GenCon has been hosted the same weekend as the Leigonier&#039;s National Convention where an entire hotel (Sheridan) was taken up and un-available for use. The same weekend the IUPUI hotel was hosting a nusrsing convention. And there were two other small conventions that were downtown in nearby hotels.

To kick that up a notch, Indy Colts had a game that weekend with a packed stadium.

Indy didn&#039;t have problems with hotel space, and only had a bit of trouble with parking durring the Cotls game. So, yeah. Indy can handle it. And btw: Indiana&#039;s State Fair has overlapped Gen Con at least once w/o much issue. Just so you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh. I can&#8217;t stop commenting. Sorry&#8230;.</p>
<p>GenCon has been hosted the same weekend as the Leigonier&#8217;s National Convention where an entire hotel (Sheridan) was taken up and un-available for use. The same weekend the IUPUI hotel was hosting a nusrsing convention. And there were two other small conventions that were downtown in nearby hotels.</p>
<p>To kick that up a notch, Indy Colts had a game that weekend with a packed stadium.</p>
<p>Indy didn&#8217;t have problems with hotel space, and only had a bit of trouble with parking durring the Cotls game. So, yeah. Indy can handle it. And btw: Indiana&#8217;s State Fair has overlapped Gen Con at least once w/o much issue. Just so you know.</p>
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		<title>By: SrBlack</title>
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		<dc:creator>SrBlack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 05:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh forgot something else: Indianapolis does not have the distraction of a nearby theme park.

So, spouces are more likely to participate in Gen Con spouce-related events. Childeren are more likely to be at the Gen Con kid&#039;s room, or special trips or what not that&#039;s planned. We do have a nice zoo and one of the largest childeren&#039;s museums in the country. But, no theme park to pull participants away from Gen Con.

GenCon SoCal had Disney land near by that took away some of the gamer money.

Where&#039;s Kentucky Kingdom again? Isn&#039;t it near Lousiville? Maybe a reason why it&#039;s not been hosted there. Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh forgot something else: Indianapolis does not have the distraction of a nearby theme park.</p>
<p>So, spouces are more likely to participate in Gen Con spouce-related events. Childeren are more likely to be at the Gen Con kid&#8217;s room, or special trips or what not that&#8217;s planned. We do have a nice zoo and one of the largest childeren&#8217;s museums in the country. But, no theme park to pull participants away from Gen Con.</p>
<p>GenCon SoCal had Disney land near by that took away some of the gamer money.</p>
<p>Where&#8217;s Kentucky Kingdom again? Isn&#8217;t it near Lousiville? Maybe a reason why it&#8217;s not been hosted there. Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: SrBlack</title>
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		<dc:creator>SrBlack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 05:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, as for why it&#039;s in Indy over many other locations:

Hotels. Plain and simple.

Indianapolis has TONS of hotels, and they are low cost.

The problem with Cellebration IV was the fact that there was not enough low-cost hotels in the area to accomodate the number of multi-day passes that would&#039;ve paid for the convention center.

Indy&#039;s convention center is in the middle of a major expansion that should be done and ready to use in two years - just in time for contract renewal.

Louisville, St. Louis, and other cities that have been reviewed by Gen Con does not have the type of hotel space within walking distance (or 20 min drive) from the convention center. If there is overflow to hotels outside the emediate area, they are 30+ min away. Indianapolis has a ton of hotels within 20 min of the convention center, and pleanty of parking w/in a mile. And the hotel space that is available is ON THE CHEAP.

Okay, I&#039;m from Indy and tooting my city&#039;s horn. But with NASCAR and Indy Racing League events, Indy&#039;s got the experience of getting a large number of people the hotel space they need and quick travvel to boot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, as for why it&#8217;s in Indy over many other locations:</p>
<p>Hotels. Plain and simple.</p>
<p>Indianapolis has TONS of hotels, and they are low cost.</p>
<p>The problem with Cellebration IV was the fact that there was not enough low-cost hotels in the area to accomodate the number of multi-day passes that would&#8217;ve paid for the convention center.</p>
<p>Indy&#8217;s convention center is in the middle of a major expansion that should be done and ready to use in two years &#8211; just in time for contract renewal.</p>
<p>Louisville, St. Louis, and other cities that have been reviewed by Gen Con does not have the type of hotel space within walking distance (or 20 min drive) from the convention center. If there is overflow to hotels outside the emediate area, they are 30+ min away. Indianapolis has a ton of hotels within 20 min of the convention center, and pleanty of parking w/in a mile. And the hotel space that is available is ON THE CHEAP.</p>
<p>Okay, I&#8217;m from Indy and tooting my city&#8217;s horn. But with NASCAR and Indy Racing League events, Indy&#8217;s got the experience of getting a large number of people the hotel space they need and quick travvel to boot.</p>
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		<title>By: Vitzh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vitzh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t remember Milwaukee being too small for Gencon.  What I do remember is Gencon changing its date to be at the same time as the state fair, which cut into the available hotel space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t remember Milwaukee being too small for Gencon.  What I do remember is Gencon changing its date to be at the same time as the state fair, which cut into the available hotel space.</p>
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		<title>By: Glim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Milwaukee was too small for the size that GenCon had grown to.  I don&#039;t believe Peter has strong feelings for or against Milwaukee other than it&#039;s no longer suitable.  Indianapolis is a great site for GenCon and I hope it stays there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Milwaukee was too small for the size that GenCon had grown to.  I don&#8217;t believe Peter has strong feelings for or against Milwaukee other than it&#8217;s no longer suitable.  Indianapolis is a great site for GenCon and I hope it stays there.</p>
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		<title>By: Oz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 08:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Milwaukeens never supported it like the folks in Indy!? Now that is a crazy thought. GenCon did outstanding in Milwaukee for many, many years. Simple fact is, Peter Atkison hated Milwaukee, which is why it moved out of Wisconsin.

Yes, I&#039;m sure Indy folks help with GenCon, but please don&#039;t insult GenCons roots - Wisconsin, where D&amp;D started from (that means you, EjoThims).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Milwaukeens never supported it like the folks in Indy!? Now that is a crazy thought. GenCon did outstanding in Milwaukee for many, many years. Simple fact is, Peter Atkison hated Milwaukee, which is why it moved out of Wisconsin.</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m sure Indy folks help with GenCon, but please don&#8217;t insult GenCons roots &#8211; Wisconsin, where D&amp;D started from (that means you, EjoThims).</p>
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		<title>By: Tora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;offer&quot; has been rejected by GenCon and I think the reasons are sound.  Unless the group comes out and shows they are a well organized group with a business plan and history of running conventions over many profitable years, I don&#039;t think the courts will go with it either... especially of GenCon&#039;s plan brings them out of the red in just a few months.

GenCon LLC went into the red because they tried to create other conventions that did not work out.  GenCon SoCal, Star Wars Celebration, etc. (Europe and Australia are franchises, I believe, mostly independently operated if I remember correctly.)  GenCon Indy is the flagship convention and makes the money.  The other attempts failed and they lost money on it all, while Indy still makes the money (thus, their plan to be out of bankruptsy by February.)

So to say that Peter&#039;s &quot;greed&quot; brought them into the red is only partly correct.  They tried to do more than was profitable and paid for it.

As for a revolving convention, I don&#039;t think that would be good for the convention at all.  Part of what makes a convention successful is familiarity and returning business. If a convention would be successful in Houston (for instance), why not set up a yearly con in Houston?  Local businesses won&#039;t support a con they don&#039;t know about, and trying to get a one-year rental of a location is probably much more costly (and made years in advance) as the center has to schedule around it for yearly events.

So, I think GenCon Indy is going to stay in Indy, and will remain with Peter for the time being.  But who knows... stranger things have happened. (What do you mean you lost the Star Wars license because you decided to take money from your gaming company and put it into your shoe company??)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;offer&#8221; has been rejected by GenCon and I think the reasons are sound.  Unless the group comes out and shows they are a well organized group with a business plan and history of running conventions over many profitable years, I don&#8217;t think the courts will go with it either&#8230; especially of GenCon&#8217;s plan brings them out of the red in just a few months.</p>
<p>GenCon LLC went into the red because they tried to create other conventions that did not work out.  GenCon SoCal, Star Wars Celebration, etc. (Europe and Australia are franchises, I believe, mostly independently operated if I remember correctly.)  GenCon Indy is the flagship convention and makes the money.  The other attempts failed and they lost money on it all, while Indy still makes the money (thus, their plan to be out of bankruptsy by February.)</p>
<p>So to say that Peter&#8217;s &#8220;greed&#8221; brought them into the red is only partly correct.  They tried to do more than was profitable and paid for it.</p>
<p>As for a revolving convention, I don&#8217;t think that would be good for the convention at all.  Part of what makes a convention successful is familiarity and returning business. If a convention would be successful in Houston (for instance), why not set up a yearly con in Houston?  Local businesses won&#8217;t support a con they don&#8217;t know about, and trying to get a one-year rental of a location is probably much more costly (and made years in advance) as the center has to schedule around it for yearly events.</p>
<p>So, I think GenCon Indy is going to stay in Indy, and will remain with Peter for the time being.  But who knows&#8230; stranger things have happened. (What do you mean you lost the Star Wars license because you decided to take money from your gaming company and put it into your shoe company??)</p>
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		<title>By: Hellscream</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hellscream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they should turn Gencon into a revolving con that goes to large cities throughout the country.  Chicago, Houston, Dallas, LA, Seattle, Atlanta, NY, etc, etc....Thay way, people in those regions can show up without having a huge expense of travel...sure you may not get some folks from some regions because they would have to travel, but meh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they should turn Gencon into a revolving con that goes to large cities throughout the country.  Chicago, Houston, Dallas, LA, Seattle, Atlanta, NY, etc, etc&#8230;.Thay way, people in those regions can show up without having a huge expense of travel&#8230;sure you may not get some folks from some regions because they would have to travel, but meh.</p>
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